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based off the simpson bowles commission, his own deficit reduction commission. he knows what our proposals are and what we are willing to do. what we don't know, chris, is what is the president willing to do? >> chris: well, let me ask you specifically about that. is it true, it is said -- we have never seen a piece of paper. is it true that the president offered to raise the eligibility age for medicare and slow cost of living adjustments for social security when you were in your debt talks in august of 2011? >> it was on the table. did the president agree to it... he may have been close to an agreement to it. if he agreed to it, we might not have this problem today. >> chris: is that on the table now. >> of course it is. >> chris: no, from their point of view? >> listen, there are a lot of items on the table. the president knows what they are. the question is, what are they willing to do. >> chris: you are starting to have political problems, because you are starting to have splits in your ranks, i don't have to tell you you one of the top congressional republ
based off the simpson bowles commission, his own deficit reduction commission. he knows what our proposals are and what we are willing to do. what we don't know, chris, is what is the president willing to do? >> chris: well, let me ask you specifically about that. is it true, it is said -- we have never seen a piece of paper. is it true that the president offered to raise the eligibility age for medicare and slow cost of living adjustments for social security when you were in your debt...
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brings our long-term deficits down. tough spending savings is part of that, and invest in things that matter to the american economy, like infrastructure, and getting americans back to work. we think we can do that. we have a good chance, and it's very important. and i think we'll get there, david. >> do you think we'll get a deal by the end of the year? >> i do. because the only thing standing in the way of that is a refusal by republicans to accept that rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans. and i don't really see them doing that. >> the idea that they have signalled something significant for them, which is -- >> what is that? >> putting revenue on the table. >> it's welcome that they are recognizing that revenues are going to have to go up. but they haven't told us anything about how far rates should go up, how far revenues should go up, who should pay higher taxes. >> republicans have said that no republicans will vote for a tax rate increase. do you think they are just bluffing? >> i can't tell you what t
brings our long-term deficits down. tough spending savings is part of that, and invest in things that matter to the american economy, like infrastructure, and getting americans back to work. we think we can do that. we have a good chance, and it's very important. and i think we'll get there, david. >> do you think we'll get a deal by the end of the year? >> i do. because the only thing standing in the way of that is a refusal by republicans to accept that rates have to go up on the...
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but i think the over-hyping of deficits, the deficit mania that seized this town, is kind of crazy. i mean, i love alan simpson and erskine bowles, but they're talking about inflation at a moment when people are paying us money to invest in our treasury bonds. you know, the summer before last, when we had the debt ceiling negotiations, and everybody was saying oh, our credit is about to go down the tubes. the price of u.s. treasury bonds were going up. so the fact is that we have a problem. i'm hoping that we'll deal with it, especially, you know, the old age entitlementes, because sooner or later, you and i are going to be old enough to qualify for medicare, and we're going to at the present time to be a good system. but we i think a little rationality is called for. >> schieffer: you're saying it's not as bad as it seems. the fact of the matter swhen the bush tax cuts run out at the end of the year, when payroll tax-- whatever they call it, runs out at the end of the year, people's taxes are going to go up. they may not be a crisis for some of the upper income folk but if you're d
but i think the over-hyping of deficits, the deficit mania that seized this town, is kind of crazy. i mean, i love alan simpson and erskine bowles, but they're talking about inflation at a moment when people are paying us money to invest in our treasury bonds. you know, the summer before last, when we had the debt ceiling negotiations, and everybody was saying oh, our credit is about to go down the tubes. the price of u.s. treasury bonds were going up. so the fact is that we have a problem. i'm...
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how does that count -- >> it counts because it reduces the deficit. we're here trying to reduce the long-term deficit. >> they want new ones, the republicans? >> again, we're prepared to do these on the spending side. what we're not going to do is extend those tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. those cost $1 trillion over ten years. there's no possibility that we're going to find a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. again, alongside that we're prepared to do some very detailed things on the spending side, and we're -- >> there's no guarantee, right? didn't that say that? at least according to the read-out we got, your plan, so you can feel free to correct me because you haven't given me a read-out of it. >> guaranteed up front measurable savings scored by sea enacted into law. the only guarantee is when congress enacts policies. >> you would be willing to go for specific things and guarantee that there would be a specific amount of cuts? >> of course, of course. >> but that's next year? >> no, that's not tr
how does that count -- >> it counts because it reduces the deficit. we're here trying to reduce the long-term deficit. >> they want new ones, the republicans? >> again, we're prepared to do these on the spending side. what we're not going to do is extend those tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. those cost $1 trillion over ten years. there's no possibility that we're going to find a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. again, alongside...
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his own deficit reduction commission. he knows what our proposals are, he knows what we are throwing do. what we don't know, chris, is what is the president willing to do? >> well, let me ask you specifically about that. is it true, because it's been said but we've never seen a piece of paper; it true that the president offered to raise the eligibility age for medicare and to slow cost of living adjustments for social security what you were in your debt talks in august ofs2011. >> it was on the table. did the president agree to it? it may have been close to an agreement to it. if he agreed to it we might not have some problem today. >> is that on the table now. of course, it's on the table. >> no, is it on the table from their point of view. >> well, there are a lot of items on the table. the president knows what they are. the question is what are they willing to do. >> you are starting it have some political problems because you are starting to have some split necessary your ranks. i don't have to tell you one of the top
his own deficit reduction commission. he knows what our proposals are, he knows what we are throwing do. what we don't know, chris, is what is the president willing to do? >> well, let me ask you specifically about that. is it true, because it's been said but we've never seen a piece of paper; it true that the president offered to raise the eligibility age for medicare and to slow cost of living adjustments for social security what you were in your debt talks in august ofs2011. >>...
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there is an interesting coalition, if you will, of very conservative deficit hawks and very liberal deficit hawks, if you will, who might come together and say, you know what, let the country go off the cliff. lack at those five-year projections. isn't this about short term versus long term? what do you say and what do you think your members would say? >> the best thing is to do something our spending problem and barring anything else, doing the automatic cuts that congress promised last year when they raised the debt ceiling would be better than doing nothing. it's separate from the ougautomc tax increase that happens on january 1. our preferred strategy here would be to accept the sequester now knowing that congress is not going to do something more rational. they're not going to take on more fundamental spending reforms and push off increasing taxes. and let's have a ration conversation about fundamental tax reform in the first six months of next year. nothing congress does in this panic is going to be rational public policy regardless of ideology. >> isn't it fair to say no matter what,
there is an interesting coalition, if you will, of very conservative deficit hawks and very liberal deficit hawks, if you will, who might come together and say, you know what, let the country go off the cliff. lack at those five-year projections. isn't this about short term versus long term? what do you say and what do you think your members would say? >> the best thing is to do something our spending problem and barring anything else, doing the automatic cuts that congress promised last...
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trillion a year deficit. you're not going to solve all that with tax increases and cutting discretionary programs. we have to fix the intitlement programs. we can talk about how we do it. >> you have to be specific, steve. because when you talk about fixing the entitlement programs, we're clear, social security is off the table. what do you mean? >> what secretary geithner said is on a separate process. >> we're talking about between now and 30 days from now. >> this is preeminently where a president has to lead and be specific. you can't expect the republicans to lead on an area that he's dominated in politically. >> here's an entitlement idea, a way to help support medicare, let them dictate price -- drug prices. >> steve, this, to me, is a much more interesting debate than tom and dan. because i think the president has done exactly what he's done in the past in this negotiating. he's not grinding it out with speaker boehner. he's out giving speeches, rallying his base. meeting with groups like moveon.org.
trillion a year deficit. you're not going to solve all that with tax increases and cutting discretionary programs. we have to fix the intitlement programs. we can talk about how we do it. >> you have to be specific, steve. because when you talk about fixing the entitlement programs, we're clear, social security is off the table. what do you mean? >> what secretary geithner said is on a separate process. >> we're talking about between now and 30 days from now. >> this is...
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. >> that is erskine bowles, who along with alan simpson shared the deficit reduction commission a couple of years ago. they are both in town trying to pound a sense at into elected leaders. evan thomas has been out of town promoting his book, "ike's bluff." terrific christmas present. >> thank you. >> as i recall, we were having the same composition we are having now. >> like groundhog day. talk about bluffing -- they will be complete unreasonable until the last second where they agreed. while they are bluffing, we could go over the cliff. >> where are we headed, mark? >> one side says that raising tax rates is an example, the other side says we will not balance the budget on the backs of students and seniors without asking those who make as much as i do not to pay another diamond. we are in the chest thumping a stage of this negotiation. we are interested in the product rather than the process. the process does the fact of the product and you don't want hostilities to make the final product unreachable. >> nina, there were a bunch of c.l.'s in town saying please do something so we can p
. >> that is erskine bowles, who along with alan simpson shared the deficit reduction commission a couple of years ago. they are both in town trying to pound a sense at into elected leaders. evan thomas has been out of town promoting his book, "ike's bluff." terrific christmas present. >> thank you. >> as i recall, we were having the same composition we are having now. >> like groundhog day. talk about bluffing -- they will be complete unreasonable until the...
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middle class tax cuts but put in place some carefully designed savings to bring downtown long-term deficits and we should do ethics help growth in the short term like rebuilding american infrastructure, helping americans with their mortgages, extend unemployment benefits. we show a way to pay for those in our plan in that context. that's what we think makes the most sense. of course, we're open to suggestions. there are going to be other ideas from democrats, other ideas from republicans. we can take a look at those ideas and evaluate them but not until we see them. >> schieffer: bottom line, though, is you're going to-- you're going to have to have more revenue and you expect to get it from upper income americans. you think they ought to pay more. >> we're going to have higher rate and higher revenue interest just 2% of americans. in any event% of americans do not need to see and are not going to see an increase in their marginal tax rates. that's a commitment of president. i think we're going to get there. the republicans have conceded-- and this is important-- they're prepared to raise r
middle class tax cuts but put in place some carefully designed savings to bring downtown long-term deficits and we should do ethics help growth in the short term like rebuilding american infrastructure, helping americans with their mortgages, extend unemployment benefits. we show a way to pay for those in our plan in that context. that's what we think makes the most sense. of course, we're open to suggestions. there are going to be other ideas from democrats, other ideas from republicans. we...
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. >> our ultimate goal is an agreement that gets our long-term deficit under control in a way that's fair and balanced. and that kind of agreement would be good for our businesses, it'd be good for our economy, it would be good for our children's future and i believe that both parties can agree on a frame work that does that in the coming weeks. in fact, my hope is to get this done before christmas. >> so right now, all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap, it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're willing to make and we'd like to thank the president for adopting the fox news slogan there and as we get closer to the fiscal cliff, both sides seem to be standing tough and what about the coverage, jim in. >> i think the debate overall that began with simpson bowls saying we should roughly have tax cuts, tax increases, pardon me, and spending cuts and so the media narrative is sort of, can we get simpson bowls through a recalcitrant republican congress? and what's changed
. >> our ultimate goal is an agreement that gets our long-term deficit under control in a way that's fair and balanced. and that kind of agreement would be good for our businesses, it'd be good for our economy, it would be good for our children's future and i believe that both parties can agree on a frame work that does that in the coming weeks. in fact, my hope is to get this done before christmas. >> so right now, all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory...
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i increased the size of the debt and the deficit. i got everything i wanted. the place is a mess. and look, i got re-elected. so, you know, what's so hard about me continuing to do that and blaming it on them because obviously i'm very good at that. and that's basically where he's going here. and the republicans, i think, are not very good poker players. first of all they signaled that they are kind of really reluctant to go over the cliff, and i think if you are in this kind ever a showdown you have to say, you know, bring it. come on. >> you'll do it. they will get blamed for it, though, if that happens. there's no question. the president is already signaling that. that wouldn't be a pleasant outcome for them. would you say they should suggest to the president they would be willing to do that and then maybe he would give 2nd end? >> i think they have to show that he is in negotiations and that he has to give and they are willing to give and if they just say we are so afraid of getting blamed for that, of course he's going to roll right over them. >> kim, where do you think the r
i increased the size of the debt and the deficit. i got everything i wanted. the place is a mess. and look, i got re-elected. so, you know, what's so hard about me continuing to do that and blaming it on them because obviously i'm very good at that. and that's basically where he's going here. and the republicans, i think, are not very good poker players. first of all they signaled that they are kind of really reluctant to go over the cliff, and i think if you are in this kind ever a showdown...
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number two, let's have a smart long term deficit reduction program that includes us doing some things right now that would help with job creation. number three let's not manufacture another debt ceiling crises and number four let's make sure that we're making the kind of investments in education and work force development, energy independence, infrastructure and research and development that ensures that we're innovating as we have in the past. >> rose: julianna goldman of bloomberg joins me from washington and she interviewed president obama on tuesday. that was an excerpt from her interview and i'm pleased to have her on this program. and congratulations first of all. >> charlie thanks very much. it was a great opportunity. >> rose: tell me how you found the president. not in terms of the sort of term temperment in terms of where his mind is set at this moment. >> there was a little bit of chitchat before we started the interview and i had the opportunity to congratulate him for the first time since his election. and i said you've been a little busy. he said yes no trip to disneywor
number two, let's have a smart long term deficit reduction program that includes us doing some things right now that would help with job creation. number three let's not manufacture another debt ceiling crises and number four let's make sure that we're making the kind of investments in education and work force development, energy independence, infrastructure and research and development that ensures that we're innovating as we have in the past. >> rose: julianna goldman of bloomberg joins...
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it's actually too much deficit reduck sln too quickly in the wrong parts of the budget. you want a more thoughtful, thought out plan. on your point about the debt ceiling, we what we need is to have certainty, know where we're headed. not have multiple showdowns but the debt ceiling is only going to be increased significantly if it goes hand in hand with a big enough deal which has real changes in the budget. so the best thing we could do is put in place a balanced plan deals with all parts of the budget and really provides the kind of sense of security that households, small businesses, everybody needs to know so we can start planning for the economy and hopefully getting things growing back again. one of the things you see is that when your debt levels are as high as they are, in this country right now, that's a tamp on economic growth and can harm growth. that's the point we're at. we know that part of a growth strategy will have to be getting control of these deficits and debt and fix the debt as basically saying, we have to work this out and do it in a bipartisan wa
it's actually too much deficit reduck sln too quickly in the wrong parts of the budget. you want a more thoughtful, thought out plan. on your point about the debt ceiling, we what we need is to have certainty, know where we're headed. not have multiple showdowns but the debt ceiling is only going to be increased significantly if it goes hand in hand with a big enough deal which has real changes in the budget. so the best thing we could do is put in place a balanced plan deals with all parts of...
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how do they get the deficit debate back to spending and entitlements? >> they can do that next year once taxes are off the table. these pass an extension of all bush tax cuts which republicans believe is best. >> before the end of the year. >> yes, before christmas. then pass perhaps a second piece of legislation as a fallback if the senate doesn't accept the better piece. it makes accommodations to president obama and allows a hike up to 37% for millionaires. obama has a extreme position. 4% on every family making $250,000 or more. there are a a lot of upper middle class families that don't think they're wealthy if they're paying college tuition making more than $250,000 and less than 750 or a million. there's a tax increase going into effect for those families in obamacare, 1% increase on income and a big 3% increase surcharge on investments. so republicans can say best case, no tax increase, we'll also give you a responsible modest increase so you can satisfy yourself, president obama, that we're increasing taxes on millionaires, not families making
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bub it is not part -- but it's not part of the current deficit issue at all. separate issue. you may call it premium the medicare program and tosses it over to the private health insurance companies. i have worked with the private health insurance companies for a long, long -- >> it's not true. >> sorry, it does happen to be what the premium support is all about. you are supporting the premium for private health insurance companies. call it vouch every or premium support. in either case it terminates the medicare as we know it. that is a problem for seniors. >> we are leaving on many point of disagreement, not agreement. we know you have a lot of work to do on the hill. we thank you for taking time out for us today. we wish you beth to find abcompromise. >> thank you. >> thank you, shannon. >> this is a fox news alert. nine militants and at least five afghans are reportedly dead after a fire fight at an air base in american afghanistan that lasted more than two hours. officials say two suicide bombers detonated explosives outside the base that helicopters fired on them. they
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party over the fiscal cliff proposal that he made with some saying it doesn't go far enough to fix the deficit. we'll break down what this means for negotiations ahead with our morning joe panel. but up next -- you never know who you'll see on a new york city subway. and for one kindly old lady, she literally did not know who she was seeing and sitting next to. we'll play her full conversation with jay-z when "way too early" comes right back. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok.
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they, republicans will come around on the deficit, because of the economic you know, cliff that we're hanging over. i think they'll do that. i don't think there's any doubt that the republicans will cooperate on immigration reform. they've learned how important the hispanic vote is and african-american vote. >> having gotten politics out of the way, the carters promptly returned to building, a work ethic that created marie's 175-square-foot home and something jimmy and roselynn carter say they'll forever do and like most things, do together. richard lui, msnbc, haiti. >>> grover norquist, the man in the middle, may be hit be the sidelines. but what about grover norquist has made hundreds march in lockstep behind him all these years? we'll talk about it. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios tend to weigh less than those who don't. is bigger than we think ... sometimelike the flu.fer from with aches, fever and chil
they, republicans will come around on the deficit, because of the economic you know, cliff that we're hanging over. i think they'll do that. i don't think there's any doubt that the republicans will cooperate on immigration reform. they've learned how important the hispanic vote is and african-american vote. >> having gotten politics out of the way, the carters promptly returned to building, a work ethic that created marie's 175-square-foot home and something jimmy and roselynn carter say...
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we already have a $292 billion deficit. but in those two months, revenues have increased by 10%. $30 billion. you only get $31 billion in the first year when you raise those two rates. but you know what the problem is? we increased spending by 16%, $87 billion. this is more about a spending problem, not a taxing problem. and that's the problem with washington. >> first of all, congressman, you threw out a number there, there are a lot of numbers that can confuse people. you talk about $31 billion. the reality is, over 10 years, based on documents i have seen from republicans, raising the top rates would get you over $400 billion in new revenue. so that is a fact that both sides agree on. >> david, in two months of this new pacific northwe new fiscal year, you have $10 billion in revenue but 16% increase in spending. it is a spending problem. and the president wants to increase taxes to continue the spending. he proposed a plan that put a new spend list in that added more than just the top two rates' worth in the first year.
we already have a $292 billion deficit. but in those two months, revenues have increased by 10%. $30 billion. you only get $31 billion in the first year when you raise those two rates. but you know what the problem is? we increased spending by 16%, $87 billion. this is more about a spending problem, not a taxing problem. and that's the problem with washington. >> first of all, congressman, you threw out a number there, there are a lot of numbers that can confuse people. you talk about $31...
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we shouldn't have deficit reduction right now. we should focus on jobs and employment and continued stimulus for the economy, which i was really happy about the president at least had some of that in his plan. then you ask yourself, okay, what could you do in terms of reducing the deficit that would be the least damaging, and what economists say and what makes common sense is people at the top end of the income scale, who can afford to pay a little more, that's the place where we can raise the rates now and not have a major economic impact. so i take the governor's point, and i agree with it. we probably are going to -- if we're going to continue to make the promises and keep the promises that i think are so important and most progressives do, we probably need to raise taxes on a lot of people. it's a question of timing of when to make those choices. >> the rush limbaugh showed us today how difficult it is for john boehner and eric cantor to make the moves they've already made. let's listen to what rush said. >> what we got today
we shouldn't have deficit reduction right now. we should focus on jobs and employment and continued stimulus for the economy, which i was really happy about the president at least had some of that in his plan. then you ask yourself, okay, what could you do in terms of reducing the deficit that would be the least damaging, and what economists say and what makes common sense is people at the top end of the income scale, who can afford to pay a little more, that's the place where we can raise the...
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and just to add insult, and here's the insult, he demands congress give up the power to control the deficit. that's obviously meanlt to humiliate the republicans. it's a non-starter. it's not acceptable. it's a way of saying to boehner you want to hand me your sword, you want to hand me your shirt? i want your trousers as well. the white house is not budging, and everybody's waiting, meaning the media, the administration are waiting for republicans to cave. >> look. i agree totally with you and their posture, their public posture appears that they're going that way. i'll give you a quick example. when john boehner started to answer the other day and he said well, our plan is to raise revenues on the rich, he was co opting barack obama's language and we read this week about the purging and the removal of conservatives and tea party members from their committee assignments because they didn't vote the way speaker boehner wants. that seems to me to be evidence that a surrender is coming. >> well, i'm not sure it's the appointments so much as the substance of the negotiations. i think, you know
and just to add insult, and here's the insult, he demands congress give up the power to control the deficit. that's obviously meanlt to humiliate the republicans. it's a non-starter. it's not acceptable. it's a way of saying to boehner you want to hand me your sword, you want to hand me your shirt? i want your trousers as well. the white house is not budging, and everybody's waiting, meaning the media, the administration are waiting for republicans to cave. >> look. i agree totally with...
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president does not represent the bowles simpson plan, nor is it the bowles plan in my testimony on deficit reduction. i simply took the mid point of the public offers, put forward during the negotiations to demonstrate where i thought a deal could be reached at the time. he's very much backing away from speaker boehner's letter. the question i wanted to ask you is some of the details, as you know, it's all in. >> can we spin one more point on that? >> absolutely. >> here's speaker boehner who is taking a mid point on the compromise between the two sides and offered it, and it's already flatley rejected? >> i think he may be rejected, sir, if i may -- >> i'm not talking about simpson -- erskine boelsz. i'm talking about the white house's response to it. >> let's get to that too. i think what erskine bowles is saying in his statement, that this letter from speaker boehner does not represent his theory, number one, but i think the line that the white house is having problems with, and i believe i found it in page two of the speaker's letter, i'll read it to you if i can. he says this, notably
president does not represent the bowles simpson plan, nor is it the bowles plan in my testimony on deficit reduction. i simply took the mid point of the public offers, put forward during the negotiations to demonstrate where i thought a deal could be reached at the time. he's very much backing away from speaker boehner's letter. the question i wanted to ask you is some of the details, as you know, it's all in. >> can we spin one more point on that? >> absolutely. >> here's...
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a lousy economy for four years, i left unemployment high, i increased the size of the debt and the deficit, i got everything i wanted, the place is a mess and look, i got reelected. so, what's so hard about me continuing to doing that and blaming it on them. obviously, i'm very good at that and that's base clr where he's going here and the republicans i think are not very good poker players, they're signaled they're relucks tennant to go over the cliff. if you're in this showdown, i is a, come on, bring it. >> paul: they will get blamed if that happens and the president is signaling that. that wouldn't be a pleasant outcome for them. you're saying they should suggest to the president we had he' be willing to do that and maybe he'll give at the end? >> yeah, i think they have to show that they are it, that he's in a negotiation and that he has to give and that they're willing to give and if they just say, look, we're so afraid of getting blamed for that, of course, he's going to roll over them. >> kim, where do you think the republicans are? where should they go here? do they have real opti
a lousy economy for four years, i left unemployment high, i increased the size of the debt and the deficit, i got everything i wanted, the place is a mess and look, i got reelected. so, what's so hard about me continuing to doing that and blaming it on them. obviously, i'm very good at that and that's base clr where he's going here and the republicans i think are not very good poker players, they're signaled they're relucks tennant to go over the cliff. if you're in this showdown, i is a, come...
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we saw this in new jersey where governor christie had 11 billion dollar deficit. he had a fiscal cliff. he knew where the middle road was, and he didn't it. >> he didn't fall off. >> exactly. that's what this president has to do. >> i'm joe smith and i think that the dems want to raise taxes and the republicans want spending cuts, and as far as i'm concerned, i'd rather have the rich people pay taxes than me to lose my entitlements. pat, can that ever work? >> well i think that's what most people think right now. they want the rich to pay more because maybe we should have them pay more. at the same time, they don't want the economy to go in the hole. the other thing is they don't want the country to go broke. what the republicans failed to do is what you're saying. they failed communication case w50eus. wise. they don't hold ban barack baraa accountable. to give himself powers that no president has had, you take that to the country and say you want him deciding he can just spend whatever he wants? >> that's like removing the debt ceiling. >> exactly. >> that's wha
we saw this in new jersey where governor christie had 11 billion dollar deficit. he had a fiscal cliff. he knew where the middle road was, and he didn't it. >> he didn't fall off. >> exactly. that's what this president has to do. >> i'm joe smith and i think that the dems want to raise taxes and the republicans want spending cuts, and as far as i'm concerned, i'd rather have the rich people pay taxes than me to lose my entitlements. pat, can that ever work? >> well i...